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Well, what can I say, it took 2 days and I now have less hair than when I started, I was very confused by the docs, mainly for 2 reasons, they are not "newbie proof" and I am a "newbie" to mysql. But thanks to the help and support from <underDOG> on #geeklog @ irc.openprojects.net After seeing what was done by <underDOG> I can see the way it falls together now, who knows, since I am a newbie perhaps I should write the "newbies version" of the missing bits to the /docs, anyhow I now have a fully operational geek site... Now I just have to learn PHP and it might even be useful Keep up the good development work... just remember if you make and "idiot proof" system, they will just create a better idiot..... "May the source be with you - In code we trust." Davincii PAX-H.A.T.O