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Welcome to Geeklog Friday, April 18 2014 @ 02:12 PM EDT

Is this a real community?

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  • Sunday, May 25 2003 @ 08:31 PM EDT
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Hi Geeks

Ok.. so 3 developers and myself, are still trying to decide on whether to go with GL. They have their techical issues, I have my feature and cultural issues. I thought I would share my.

1) How can Geeklog present itself as this geewhiz cool community, if it can't even mount a forum? You have a plug in. Why not use it? 90% of all board traffic at probably 50% of the sites on the planet are forum driven. So why is this tool not even present on your main site? And using articles as a primary question and answer forum--especially with newbies--is a mystery beyond my ability to fathom.

It's almost like you're worried that real discussion threads would make ya look bad. A week ago, I pointed out that you had no feature list anywhere. Can't someone among you find a moment to even put up a bad one?

Why not not create a section called "About Geeklog." With your cool system, that should take rougly 20 seconds. Then you have at least an area for people like me to say "where the hell are the forums?"

There isnt' another CMS out there that lacks a forum on its site that I recall. Just you folks. I'm sure you have your reasons. I'd love to hear them.

2)How many users does a member have to scroll through on their preferences screen, before you provide a new page to handle the list. It's dumb enough on Slashdot. But to them, that's cool. Here, it's just silly. I have never seen a more insulting slap at a user. All I want to do is change my password or settings. If I wanted to shut off authors, I am a big boy, and can find the "Select Authors" button.. if only you'd provide one.

3) Since you refuse to provide any summary of features and core modules, could someone please tell me if ANYONE has written any kind of storefront/ecommerce solution?

If I sound cranky, it's only because I like this product. But the sheer number of silly things disturbs me, given that you present yourself as so sensitive to your geekers. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing people impressed with what they've done, but not pushing things forward with much discipline or drive. I know all too well that open source initiatives are not easy, and the time can be hard to find. But there is all this talk of the future, and frankly, the past still needs a LOT of work.

I'm just giving you my gut right now. I do respect your project, efforts and goals. I would love to see this project really soar. To get there, I think you need less pilots, and a few more good mechanics with an eye for detail.

Regards!

[Addendum sent by the author]
Sorry.. in my post I said "change my password at" personalize. I mean't theme.
Doesnt' matter though. The author list is ridiculously long to be embedded in someone as general as "preferences".

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  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Dirk on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 04:16 AM EDT
Well, your last posts have been quite good and productive, so I'm giving you some credit here. Otherwise, I would have been ... let's say "irritated" by this post, if you know what I mean ...

Forum: I think I already mentioned that we're planning to use the forum on this site. Give us some time to implement that, okay? We're only a handful of people anyway and have other things to do besides Geeklog. Not to mention that switching a site with some 4000 users and over 3000 stories on it does need a little planning ahead, which is what we're doing at the moment.

I don't see where your "It's almost like you're worried that real discussion threads would make ya look bad." claim comes from. We had enough controversial discussions here on the site - it doesn't make a dfference whether they're happening in a forum or in the comments to a story. We're certainly not afraid of discussions and we have nothing against them, as long as they're not only flaming.

"About Geeklog": There is a "Whats is Geeklog?" block on the right. The "more" link takes you to the documentation that has a feature list. Actually, that links to an iframe which doesn't seem to work in Mozilla at the moment (at least not in my 1.3.1 version), so I'm going to change that to a proper link to the documentation as soon as I'm finished with this comment ...

Yes, the long user list in the preferences is not a nice thing. How about submitting a feature request that points out a nice solution to this problem?

Don't know why you claim we "refuse to provide any summary of features and core modules". As I said, a feature list is in the documentation and it's next to impossible for the core developers to stay up to date with all the add-ons that are being developed for Geeklog. That's why we have sections on this very site where you can announce your plugins, blocks, or whatever. Or ask for them, as you just did.

bye, Dirk
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Anonymous on Tuesday, May 27 2003 @ 02:23 AM EDT
Hmm, something doesn't work in Mozilla, perhaps you should try it in a browser that the authors claim is finished. If you look in the release notes for Mozilla you will find some words very similar to this....

We make binary versions of Mozilla available for testing purposes only!


  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Wednesday, May 28 2003 @ 08:11 PM EDT
Postnuke does not have an inbuilt forum - PHPNuke recently changed theirs from Splatt to PHPBB and created a mountain of problems. I know this first hand as I host a German seaman's site on our server and have seen the tears when the forum loses posts.

We now have an addon for a forum with GL which I think is a better solution as not every site wants to add a forum anyway. How many users of GL use every inbuilt facility. There are many that I have disabled and would not use. I use GL as it's interface is easier to use than most others - try adding pictures to a PHPNuke and Postnuke site at 2 am in the morning when you have been at it 16 plus hours.

Yes, I have found numerous faults and shortcomings in GL but feedback from users may remedy this in future issues along with further items I won't use.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Anonymous on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 05:47 AM EDT
Hey little Hitler, get off your own lazy a**, roll up your sleeves, and be one of those mechanics. The open source community is filled with tons of egotistical people like you who bark at everyone else and think they owe him something and won't lift one stinking little finger to help out. Your type is a dime a dozen. You're nothing more than a freaking leech. Move on.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Dirk on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 06:39 AM EDT

Err, this is not exactly the tone I had in mind when I wrote that we're not afraid of discussions here on the site :-( You may want to look up "Godwin's Law" ...

bye, Dirk

  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Anonymous on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 07:01 PM EDT
Dirk, I apologize to you and the others here for using the reference Hitler but this guy has gone overboard now. He is into keyboard PMS mode and has the gall to whine because others didn't jump and implement his ideas on his time schedule. Perhaps he's used to people at his job doing this, but he has no right to expect it from strangers who aren't being paid for their time and effort here.

Dirk, you have the patience of Jobe. I don't with his type. You and the other developers don't need yet another person trying to play nagging supervisor. If he wants to save Geeklog so badly, then he should leave his big fat ego at home, roll up his sleeves, and help implement his ideas. We don't need a hot air windbag barking at others unless he wants to start paying people here money to tolerate this.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 05:44 PM EDT
And what's Dirk done to ruffle your feathers - even have to hide behind
anonomity.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Anonymous on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 07:15 PM EDT
My post was to matted not Dirk. I think Dirk should have leveled him, but Dirk has always been very cordial and nice. The good old USA constitution gives me the right to speak anonymously. If you don't like it tough, I value my rights.

Since you appear to support matted, you Wayne Johns better get busy and start producing everything he wants. He will be back in another week to check on your work.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Tuesday, May 27 2003 @ 04:55 AM EDT
My reply was not to support anyone but to comment on what appeared an abusive post. No constitutional rights give anyone the right to abuse another anonymous or named. In 8 years of running lists and forums I have had this thrown in my face countless times. These sites are private and not given to anyone as a right and certainly not to flame or abuse whosoever it is against.

Wayne
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Anonymous on Wednesday, May 28 2003 @ 01:22 PM EDT
Why was this article even allowed to be published here then? His posts have done nothing, but flame the community. Once published, they are open for comments. I gave my honest opinion which is way more than you did. I don't give a flip if you agree with my approach. My constition gives me the right to argue a point in whatever fashion I want. No one can abuse or libel an anonymous alias which is what he and the others like him have posted under.

I'm tired of jerks like him who suddenly drop in with all these complaints and will not lift a little finger to help out. Before you cast a stone buddy, I have yet to see your name on anything either. Do not give me the line it is because 'I do not know php'. There are many other things a non-developer can do. You cater to the Filipino people yet have not contributed even a Tagolog translation. Perhaps if you move from the leech department into a doer you too would get irate with these jerks. I am active in another open source project and these non-do'er flamers piss me off. Until you become a doer, you won't understand the feeling of having someone else give you a laundry list of things to do but won't help out. Those of us who work on open source code are not your damn slaves.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Wednesday, May 28 2003 @ 08:03 PM EDT
Do not see what was done to inflame the community - was it not you who decided to name drop and done so hiding behind anonomity. We offer websites in Taglog, Cebuano and English for your info and have done for 8 years. I say again no constitution gives you the right to insult anyone. No one has inhibited your comments or moderated them so your so called constitutional rights have not be inhibited. My own comment was not to endorse the orginal poster's comment just the insult.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:alinford on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 02:41 PM EDT
I really like the GL community. Users have been a great help when I have questions.
I do look forward to having the Forum up on this site. It will make much more sense than using articles for posting questions (IMO).
Several people have seen my family site and have asked how I did it, but when they tried to install GL, they ran into issues and did not stick it out and get them resolved. Most have ended up with PostNuke their sites look identical to all the othe PN sites out there. They like their own sites, but envy mine.
Dirk, I am php impaired, but I do own a hosting company. So, if you need any free hosting, I will gladly contribute to the cause in that way.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 05:50 PM EDT
Totally agree here GL seem a good bunch - I use GL on five sites and
about to use a CMS on two others thought I would evaluate PHPNuke I
installed 6.5 on a test bed and have just had to pay $10.00 to receive 6.6 a
security bug fix upgrade.

I have always found Dirk helpful and all the other developers yes if we
are all pre[pared to put into the community what we take out of it ... even
if it is only thanks 'yes GL is real community'.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Blaine on Monday, May 26 2003 @ 09:36 PM EDT
Matted,

We may want to recruit you for our project to develop the new geeklog.net site and content. We have a lot of ideas ourselves and we were motivated before the recent articles and comments regarding the site, structure and contents.

As dirk has noted, we try our best and have been talking about a number of changes. There are many challenges and time, coordination and agreement on the final product are part of the it. We are actively working but let us know if you are as willing to participate and we can find a role for you.

Blaine
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:macka on Friday, May 30 2003 @ 11:02 AM EDT
I am very new to geeklog but would nevertheless like to say this: Thank you to all at Geeklog.

I believe that posts of the type that started this thread are wholy inappropriate. If one has to ask things, then there is a way to do it, and this was certainly not one of them.

I appraciate greatly the effort of the whole open-source community, the philosophy behind it, the helpfulness of the people who do it and can undertand if they are sometimes fed up with answering repetitive questions (I know I would be too). What I believe has no place on sites like this is complaining but rather suggestions for improvements and offers to help.

I do hope to one day be able to help, but am affraid that due to my current lack of technical knowledge this is not possible right now (unless there are non-technical things that need doing - perhaps user or admin manual?). Will be in touch when I learn a thing or two and see if there is anything I can do. In the meantime - keep up the good work and let me know if you want any manuals done. Oh, yes. Am tester by trade, so maybe testing is something I could do too.
  • Is this a real community?
  • Authored by:Filipino on Wednesday, May 28 2003 @ 07:56 PM EDT
We offer 14 websites some are English others Tagalog and Cebuano and have done for over 8 years one of the first filipino web sites.