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What we want, what we really need, is a designer (well, we've got Geiss, and I've been working on a coupla themes too...), a copy writer who can excite people, and some ways to get the word out.

And none of that is possible without the devs to tell the copywriter what to write. Which if they could do that they could put up some kind of page.

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So... what we need is someone to do the PR side of things, so the devs don't have to?

What we want, what we really need, is a designer (well, we've got Geiss, and I've been working on a coupla themes too...), a copy writer who can excite people, and some ways to get the word out.

Hmm. I may have to take a look at my schedule and see if I can fit in some quality Geeklog-promotion time.
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3. If this is gonna be the new default theme for 1.5, why the hell are we talking about this in the forum, and not on the home page of Geeklog.net as a featured story? Honestly, excellent coders though the core team are, they've just got no sense of showmanship.
Because Eric is working on this for himself. He's not a core dev. He's just a guy making a theme. Other folks have said this could make a cool new default theme. Again, not core devs, just others with opinions. Second, when Eric showed up here looking for critiques, he picked the forums for his post. Submitting a story makes no sense until the theme is done and ready to go.



Exactly right Joe. To be clear, the theme discussed in this thread has not been given a green light for inclusion in GL v1.5 (yet). I just formally asked the core devs via the mailing list. If they want it, they will let me know. If not, then my intent is to release it to the community just like all my other themes. My main intent with this forum thread was to seek feedback on the theme, (and I am grateful for all of the feedback received thus far) and also show that there is more than just mild interest in a new default GL theme.

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Now, a totally unsexy roadmap I heartily endorse. But apparently the devs have decided that time to spend on Geeklog should be time spent coding and not time making pretty "about Geeklog" websites. Certainly understandable since the devs enjoy the coding far more than the PR work. And when you think about it, if you made core dev work a chore, who would do it?



I heartily agree. Yet additionally, just because the core devs choose not to focus on the PR side, doesn't mean that it isn't needed and should continue to be neglected. I think it would be wise to enlist the aid of long time proven GL contributors (like yourself and others) that have an interest in these other PR needs of GL that often go by the wayside, and give them some responsibilities and some sense of ownership over the site, etc. I've often found that a good programmer does not necessarily make a good webmaster, or a good PR person, etc.

I also second the need for a GL dev roadmap. It needs it in the worst way! Even if it is just someone stripping the essence out of the dev mailing list and posting it somewhere on a static page. Something concrete to benchmark progress toward, focus on desired features, and give a general sense of ongoing development is highly needed. The forum is an ideal place for this. A read-only forum for the actual roadmap, and then developer topics and threads for each coding project. IMHO, that email list has served it's purpose, but seriously needs to be retired.

Calls for feature requests, pruning/prioritizing that list, assigning coding tasks/groups to each item on that list, following up as self-imposed deadlines approach, beta release, release candidates, final release. Start the process over again. Its relatively simple when stated in these over-arching terms, but at any given step with the way things are in their current state, I couldn't give you a clear picture on any of them. That is what a roadmap is for. To get you where you want to go. Without it, you're just driving around aimlessly.

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1. Can we have the links in the "Topics" box styled like the black links up top? I mean, like I've done at http://www.retroreviews.net/, only less sucky.

You may like that but others don't. There are other themes that have blocky headers and there are those that don't. This theme happens not to have them.
3. If this is gonna be the new default theme for 1.5, why the hell are we talking about this in the forum, and not on the home page of Geeklog.net as a featured story? Honestly, excellent coders though the core team are, they've just got no sense of showmanship.
Because Eric is working on this for himself. He's not a core dev. He's just a guy making a theme. Other folks have said this could make a cool new default theme. Again, not core devs, just others with opinions. Second, when Eric showed up here looking for critiques, he picked the forums for his post. Submitting a story makes no sense until the theme is done and ready to go.
Why is it behind the scenes? With the stuff going on with Geeklog, the devs should have the public eating out of the palms of their hands, counting the seconds 'til the next release, with baited breath and no small amount of sexual arousal.
TMI!!! And, this is not something the devs want or need. People who are anxious tend to become annoying. (Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet?) Now, a totally unsexy roadmap I heartily endorse. But apparently the devs have decided that time to spend on Geeklog should be time spent coding and not time making pretty "about Geeklog" websites. Certainly understandable since the devs enjoy the coding far more than the PR work. And when you think about it, if you made core dev work a chore, who would do it?
(edit - why the hell doesn't my pasting in http://www.retroreviews.net/ create a link to retroreviews.net?!)
Because the forum author (Blaine) at some point decided he would not call COM_makeClickableLinks before saving forum comments. The function is just sitting there in lib-common.php and he's a core dev, too. So I'm guessing he either had a reason or just didn't think to add the call. Go to portalparts.com (his support site) and make a feature request.

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- A new site logo. Thoughts?



Sorry, when I mentioned the logo earlier, I meant that there were some specks in the background - I didn't mean to make an entirely new logo! Although the new one is not bad, as Dirk mentioned, the existing logo is already in use in other locations. Rather than mess up the branding, I'd resize/recreate the existing logo to suit the current background.

Otherwise looking good. I like the new static menu below the header and the expandable sections.

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And while I'm at it, and since I've only just noticed where this thread is posted since I found it on the GL homepage:

Why the hell is this topic in a forum called "Developers Only"? You may as well hang some razor wire and a sign out front saying "Those who don't know PHP will be shot on sight." This topic should be front-page news, Featured, with an open invitation for anyone to give feedback via the Comments. You, Geiss, should be saying "Look at me! Look at what I'm doing here, isn't it just made of awesome?!"
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A few things:

1. Can we have the links in the "Topics" box styled like the black links up top? I mean, like I've done at http://www.retroreviews.net/, only less sucky.

2. While the top of the page looks cool, the rest just seems very much like the standard Professional theme.

3. If this is gonna be the new default theme for 1.5, why the hell are we talking about this in the forum, and not on the home page of Geeklog.net as a featured story? Honestly, excellent coders though the core team are, they've just got no sense of showmanship. They don't know how to get people excited. :banghead: I looked at the mailing lists for the first time yesterday, and found some wonderful, fantastic stuff going on behind the scenes, stuff I didn't know about because it was hidden behind a link that said "Mailing Lists" instead of "What's In The Works." Why is it behind the scenes? With the stuff going on with Geeklog, the devs should have the public eating out of the palms of their hands, counting the seconds 'til the next release, with baited breath and no small amount of sexual arousal.

/off-topic rant

On the subject of this being the new default theme for 1.5 - do it. For the love of God, do it.

(edit - why the hell doesn't my pasting in http://www.retroreviews.net/ create a link to retroreviews.net?!)
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I know this isn't really constructive, but this theme ought to be the Geeklog default. It's wonderful.

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I've done some more work on a new theme and would like another round of feedback. Browse over to http://geiss.getmyip.com/gl141/ to see the latest.

Things to note are:

- A new site logo. Thoughts?

- A collapsible User Controls tab (haven't styled the tab just yet, but you'll see the link to the right of the Welcome and Date text) which toggles hidden content via a javascript slider. My thoughts are this could be a great way to clean up some of the content on sites, giving them some aesthetic "breathing room". There is also an Extras toggle on the bottom that can be used for the same purpose (again, not positioned or styled yet, but right above the Copyright info). Thoughts?

- A static menu dividing the header from the rest of the page. This can easily be generated from the GL {menu_elements} code, or just hard-coded links in header.thtml.

Right now, I have both menus up, for the sake of discussion. I chose to repeat some of the links because I wanted to show what it looks like both ways. Since the top blue menu is generated as just links, and the bottom black menu is generated with list items, I couldn't easily just have both menus pull from the same {menu_elements} code.

What are everyone's thoughts on this new menu vs. the blue one above the site? Could the layout benefit from both menus?

Thx!

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Just an idea here but what about changable css like you see in hotmail where you can change the overall 'ambient' colour of the site.
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I think that you should remake the Geeklog logo to suit the background colour. Some artefacts in there.



I agree that GL needs a new logo. Big Grin I've been looking around at some open-source imagery, but haven't been able to find something suitable. Perhaps we need to sponsor a logo contest, and see if GL's creative community can provide some nice artwork that the powers that be could select from.

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Very nice. I'll take one.

When I need to use themes in actual business settings, lots of dark colors bothers people. Light and airy wins the day. So, the charcoal border could be a problem for me.

Also, one thing I like about the current professional theme is that it runs to the edge of the screen. Call me old fashioned, but this new fangled look-n-feel that everyone is sporting that has the white space (wasted space) border around the whole site leaves me with precious little room for content on my 1024x768 displays. I know it gives it a more modern look, but then it crams everything together in the middle.

I guess I'll just have to catch up with the kiddies.

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Again I'm impressed with your work Exclamation
Keep it up :shakehands:

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Thoughts?



You are really good with this stuff.

Since we can apparently be picky....well, I think the blue color on the white areas is a little too bright. It is OK on the black. Or maybe it is the white areas that are too white?

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Why is everyone hating on tables?



Me, just because it reduces flexibility. If everything is in well-planned DIVs etc. then you can create layouts/themes by just editing the CSS.
Otherwise, no real issue for me really.



OK.

I guess I should learn this DIV stuff.

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Nice background now. Better than plain black I think.

1) I think the grey background for the rightblocks section is too dark.
2) Not sure I like the colour of the menu links along the top of the page against the dark background - or perhaps that is just interference with the diagonal lines?
3) I think that you should remake the Geeklog logo to suit the background colour. Some artefacts in there.

Great work.

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Change .pluginRow1, .pluginRow2, .pluginRollover so that their background colors are more distinct than #F7F7F7, #E7E7E7 and #FFFFFF. The difference between #F7F7F7 and #FFFFFF is just too subtle.



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The background could be a bit less dark, # 333333 perhaps, or a gradient from # 000000 to # 333333?



I've adjusted the above. You can see the .pluginRow changes by going to the stats page.

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Why is everyone hating on tables?



Me, just because it reduces flexibility. If everything is in well-planned DIVs etc. then you can create layouts/themes by just editing the CSS.
Otherwise, no real issue for me really.
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Why is everyone hating on tables?

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Thx all for your input. Please keep it coming!

Re: tables - I received word from Oliver the other day on the devel mailing list:

I have submitted a change to the CVS that removes the
left-blocks-in-footer variable from the config.php and defaults it to
true. In adition, I added the right-blocks-in-footer variable and
defaulted it to false.
If you change one of them now in the function.php of the template, you
can create CSS themes w/o any tables.


So tables won't be there for much longer. :wink:

Re: the other colors for plugin rows and background, I'll play around with your ideas and make some adjustments.

I am also wondering what people think about GL in XHTML instead of HTML transitional. Check out dengen's work at http://www.trybase.com/~sun/. They have converted the entire GL codebase to XHTML.

Thx again for input, and again, please keep it coming!

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