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9: Accidentally stumble across THIS, proclaim to the Heavens "WHY THE HELL HAVE I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS."
10. Rejoice.



LOL Thanks for the shout! I like your sense of humor about the whole thing! Big Grin

At risk of trying to do something productive :wink: , please voice your thoughts/ideas/concerns about this new theme I'm working on in this forum thread. I really appreciate (and listen to) constructive feedback. :shakehands:

Thx!

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4. Click on "geeklog-devel-archives" -> takes you to http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/
5. Look for a search box
6. Do this: :doh:


Yeah, I keep forgetting there's no search since I have all the mailing list posts from the last 5+ years readily available in my email client ...

Try Google, adding "inurl:geeklog-devel" to your query. You may have to click on the link to display the omitted results to see all posts.

bye, Dirk

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Try Google, adding "inurl:geeklog-devel" to your query. You may have to click on the link to display the omitted results to see all posts.



I most certainly bloody well will not! I'm trying to play the part of a casual observer trying to decide whether to give Geeklog a whirl, remember? Rolling Eyes
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> GL already runs just fine on PHP5.
That is not the issue. You may see how php5 can help - though the article is about WP
http://funkatron.com/index.php/site/what-matt-mullenweg-doesnt-know-about-php5-and-how-it-hurts-him-and-his-use/

That's a big. "So?" What makes you think we (or for that matter Matt Mullenweg) don't know about these php5 features? Geeklog doesn't suffer from those problems. It's called good programming practices. Besides if you want all these new features, why would Geeklog spend months converting its database code and stuff just for php5?

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> GL already runs just fine on PHP5.
That is not the issue. You may see how php5 can help - though the article is about WP
http://funkatron.com/index.php/site/what-matt-mullenweg-doesnt-know-about-php5-and-how-it-hurts-him-and-his-use/

That's a big. "So?" What makes you think we (or for that matter Matt Mullenweg) don't know about these php5 features? ?



BECAUSE NO ONE EVER ANSWERS THIS SIMPLE QUESTION - SEE BELOW !

>User-submitted images with blog posts - I'm pretty sure there's a sound reason, security-wise, why this isn't enabled

If I remember correctly Blaine and others were at loss of logic when pressed on this issue
years ago - an user can submit image / edit it with his profile page, that does not cause
security issues ? Any logic please ?

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> GL already runs just fine on PHP5.
That is not the issue. You may see how php5 can help - though the article is about WP
http://funkatron.com/index.php/site/what-matt-mullenweg-doesnt-know-about-php5-and-how-it-hurts-him-and-his-use/

That's a big. "So?" What makes you think we (or for that matter Matt Mullenweg) don't know about these php5 features? ?



BECAUSE NO ONE EVER ANSWERS THIS SIMPLE QUESTION - SEE BELOW !



You do not seem to get it, right? How explicit does one have to be? How often shall I repeat myself? How loud do you have to scream to make your trolling objective 100% clear?

1: Geeklog "joined" gophp5 as I told you before (see my post above):

> We made a clear decision on the dev mailing list to go with the gophp5 movement as soon as it was announced.
We will not object to PHP5-exlusive code and will apply improvements to the code as it we see it works out best according to our individual knowledge and schedules.

2: We have already implemented PHP5-only code where it made the most sense (as Dirk told you)

3: We have FAR more pressing things todo ( ...than revamping the whole code at once) that give GL a much better advantage per hour spent coding than what you suggest. We are currently doing a config-managment, an installation script, Webservices, only to name the big things that are not yet 100% finished, the rest you can see in the history file in CVS in case you care. We have limited ressources, and the gophp5 action started only after the last release of GL. So obviously, we would not go for PHP5-exclusive code before that. So your argument, "As years fly by you cannot just sit and be slow to update your core. PHP4 has now been discarded, and PHP6 is on the horizon which discards register global etc." is just another sign of trolling. As if we still had register-globals on! As if the code or the site still has any resemblance to two years ago!

4. Thanks for your "> concrete suggestions :"
I would like to invite you to do some of that yourself. That way you can help us in improving the code in the way you expect it to be. After all, you seem to be an expert in several CMS'es, so why not do that comparative study? Also I invite you to write plugins for the favorite authors for example, and a patch together with config-options to allow deleting and editing of comments (please make sure that comments with replies are treated differently).
I dont have the time now. I have to travel for the next 4 weeks for business. Also, I have different priorities what should be done next in the code. When I am back I am happy to go through your code and the study and upload it to the CVS as soon as you get it working 100%.

thanks for your kind contribution to GL.

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Welcome back, Tokyoahead Big Grin
How do you do ?

Sadly I did not find geeklog at http://gophp5.org/projects
Correct me if I am wrong.

Also, you probably missed my second quote ( and the query) .
No problem.
Thanks for cooling down Smile

tokyoahead

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Sadly I did not find geeklog at http://gophp5.org/projects
Correct me if I am wrong.



It seems to be news to you but one can make a decsison on gophp5 without beeing listed there.
I did not expect you to know that GL is following the gophp5 guidelines until I told you but you seem to ignore what I told you and only accept the list at gophp5.

Maybe your criticism on GL would be much less if you read how contributions are made to the team instead of looking only waht other projects have or do and complain that we dont have or do exactly the same. Then you would maybe get an account here and start to be productive.

But given that you did not propose any work done by you after my last post I suppose you simply rather complain instead of contributing, which of course is much more convenient and easy, but of course requires you to rename anonymous, but at least with a rather fitting temporary nickname.

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So, whats the harm in listing, then Big Grin

Also, I still did not get answer to my second quote from any one.

And BTW, do not you find logical constructive complaints
productive and inspirational ? Smile

Best wishes for your business journey !


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> Surely they areAnd BTW, do not you find logical constructive complaints
> productive and inspirational ?

the bad word here is "Complaints"

if anything someone says would make you start working on something probably people would answer.
Since you only complain and even no matter if prooved wrong or right wont budge and contribute, people do not see a reason to argue with you.

I simply do that because I dont want others to come and read your complaints and think you are right because nobody argues with you. But I guess I will take a different tactic next time.

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Have I been proved wrong ? Where ? Big Grin
You are right people can come and see what is wrong and what is right !!

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Concerning user-submitted images with blog posts I remember it has not been coded yet because nobody had time. Anyway, what do you need it for? Give your users story.edit rights and all is done.

It is up to you now to be constructive even if you can`t code! See this example:
http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=74649 I compared some features of Xoops and e107. e107 got very nice email routing.

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There are probably a few questions in this thread worth answering, but I'm growing tired of this so-called discussion ...

Just two quick ones:

1) We didn't make any decisions wrt gophp5. That initiative became obsolete the moment the PHP developers decided to stop all support for PHP 4 in August 2008. Until then, we will make sure that Geeklog runs on PHP 4 - only excluding clearly defined parts of its functionality. Like the webservices API in 1.5, which will require PHP 5.

2) Regarding the image upload: As Markus said, it's simply that this was never considered important enough to do anything about it. There is no security issue here (at least not more than with the upload of userphotos) and I doubt anyone from the core team ever made such a statement.

bye, Dirk

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My apologies for making you tired, Dirk

php5 is not just using one function or two, and gophp5 is
a plan or roadmap for near future; apart from the technicalities,
putting oneself on the list makes more visibility > more
users/ads/donations etc


Regarding gophp5

Geeklog joined gophp5 as I told you before - Tokyoahead
We didn't make any decisions wrt gophp5. - Dirk

Regarding image upload :

[b]The main reason we don't ship this feature enabled is security.
Geeklog has always put security first[/b]


a senior member of the core team,
- http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=66732
3rd reply

There is no security issue here - Dirk

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But finally it does not matter if you all say the same or contradict each other.

Since Geeklog does not offer the options I want, I rather use Drupal.
Otherwise this discussion will last forever, picking apart every not
perfect line of code.

I probably regret writing that in 5 mintues, but I had my fun arguing with you
so far, and have better things to do now. Bye! :banana:

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Anonymous
Since Dirk and Tokyoahead asked ( and others who asked )
I gave the answers. It will be NICE to hear from them Big Grin



There is another option when GL does NOT offer the options
I want - keep on harping logically in the hope some logical and kind
core-members takes notice.
Guess who benefits GL !

Cheers Smile

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Regarding image upload :

[b]The main reason we don't ship this feature enabled is security.
Geeklog has always put security first[/b]


a senior member of the core team,
- http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=66732
3rd reply

There is no security issue here - Dirk


These are two different issues. To make use of images uploaded through FCKeditor, you need the HTML <img> tag - which does have security issues, which is why we filter it out by default. For images uploaded through Geeklog, you can use Geeklog's own [ imageX ] tags.

bye, Dirk

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Anonymous
Thanks Dirk.
But this has nothing to do with FCK editor or tags or whatever.
Its a question of simple image upload along with text submission without any need
of special editorship or special plugin.


GL allows user to upload image in profile page along with text, it does not allow same user to upload image along with text in story submission page.

[b]Blaine says this is security issue[/b].
You say this has nothing to do with security and doubt any core member has made such comment


I wanted to know the logic behind this Smile

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But this has nothing to do with FCK editor or tags or whatever.


What? Did you even read what you're replying to? Every aspect has been answered in the posts above. Please read them again.

bye, Dirk :banghead:

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I have read Dirk. But I am sorry probably you missed what we are talking about.
Better this thread be closed.

For the last time I repeat :

:rtfm: GL allows user to upload image in profile page along with text, it does not allow same user to upload image along with text in story submission page. Whats the logic ???

[ Blaine categorically said this is security issue, while you say that is simply not ]

Thanks for your effort.

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